Org:Foundation/Bf-education/Meetings/Logs/2005 December 18th Bf
(17:02:57) kaito [n=ton@j242212.upc-j.chello.nl] entered the room.
(17:03:13) kaito: pfff. its a chickenfarm in #blendercoders!
(17:03:21) efbie: :)
(17:03:39) kaito: rcas_laptop: what was it you needed?
(17:03:56) rcas_laptop: your focus
(17:04:05) rcas_laptop: from BFoundation point of view
(17:04:10) rcas_laptop: For Education and Books
(17:04:57) rcas_laptop: for this upcoming year
(17:05:13) rcas_laptop: so we can combine all efforts and move forward with this issue
(17:05:32) kaito: ok. i sent you this reply about books, remember?
(17:05:51) kaito: problem is a bit that now bf-education and bf-docboard overlap :)
(17:06:02) rcas_laptop: yes
(17:06:06) rcas_laptop: I know that
(17:06:08) rcas_laptop: But
(17:06:31) rcas_laptop: We decided to have a more broad meeting to define the scope for both mailing lists
(17:07:00) kaito: i think it can be separated still
(17:07:08) rcas_laptop: yes, I think so too
(17:07:12) kaito: docboard is just the official docs :)
(17:07:31) jdrodas [n=Miranda@200.30.69.114] entered the room.
(17:07:38) kaito: education group could do work on a 'blender course guide' or so though
(17:07:46) rcas_laptop: yes
(17:08:06) mifune: like |Osiris is/was doing
(17:08:08) kaito: actually, making printed books is not exclusive docboard domain :)
(17:08:46) rcas_laptop: Now, one thing, should we consider BlenderArtists.org as our ground or Blender.org ?
(17:08:52) rcas_laptop: For Online Documentation
(17:08:55) kaito: do people like idea of doing multiple smaller books?
(17:09:14) kaito: official docs is b.o
(17:09:30) kaito: artist.o is for everything else :)
(17:09:50) rcas_laptop: I do like the idea
(17:09:51) mifune: for schools it is handy to have smaller readers.
(17:09:56) kaito: and i dont think artist site is up and running yet?
(17:10:18) kaito: they might first want to have the gallery stuff working etc
(17:10:29) mifune: its online, but not actively promoted.
(17:10:30) efbie: kaito, about b.o, is it possible to get video-tutorials hosted ?
(17:10:33) rcas_laptop: kaito: we can get the hang of the education area of the site if that is where we should have out base
(17:11:16) jdrodas: rcas, the education topics will be held in this channel...
(17:11:28) jdrodas: I somke kind of lost in the other one?
(17:11:35) efbie: rcas, isn't the wiki well suited for education ?
(17:11:49) rcas_laptop: jdrodas: no problem
(17:12:02) rcas_laptop: I am doing the minute
(17:12:19) kaito: efbie: yes. we will do for 2.40 features now first
(17:12:28) kaito: after that, it depends on a moderator
(17:12:33) efbie: ok
(17:13:23) efbie: it's not that i'm short of bandwith, but i think it's nicer if a B.O section doesn't depend on my server
(17:14:11) kaito: we got several mirror offerings
(17:14:32) efbie: ok, no problems on my side in the short term
(17:14:34) kaito: we can use a video tut section on 1 mirror exclusive, to not frustrate our bandwidth/server
(17:15:16) kaito: server mostly, we got like 100+ ip's connecting continuously on download site only :)
(17:16:03) rcas_laptop: jdrodas: http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/Bf-education/Meetings
(17:16:24) rcas_laptop: jdrodas: also, you were interested in just translating or doing contents also ?
(17:16:31) efbie: ok, i will send a mail about it later, when i have all the content done
(17:16:46) jdrodas: All the work I can do...
(17:16:49) kaito: but lets not mix too many topics, i get a bit exhausted :)
(17:17:07) kaito: release & orange is #1 still
(17:17:31) jdrodas: you're right Kaito... Just focus on topic at time...
(17:17:36) kaito: to answer rcas quez; i'm happy with any effort to organize our docs better
(17:17:52) kaito: docboard might be a bit silent or inactive even
(17:18:05) kaito: so its good to get things moving again
(17:18:11) rcas_laptop: that was talked
(17:18:22) rcas_laptop: S68 seems a bit away
(17:18:27) kaito: then theres just thousands of things todo :)
(17:18:43) kaito: wiki update with 2.40 as most important task i think
(17:18:49) efbie: exams and vacations are starting, i guess a lot of people will be away
(17:19:11) rcas_laptop: kaito: my purpose on that issue currently
(17:19:23) kaito: good :)
(17:19:54) kaito: about books; we need to examine first whats feasible (i.e. who has time to organize/edit)
(17:20:06) kaito: s68 did it for 2.3, and it was a *load* of work
(17:20:34) kaito: would also help a lot to get experienced authors involved for language
(17:21:11) rcas_laptop: yes
(17:21:35) rcas_laptop: I was thinking of having a different approach this time around
(17:21:45) rcas_laptop: Have an official online Documentation
(17:22:05) rcas_laptop: Not meaning it would be the same or follow the same as seen in the Books
(17:22:33) rcas_laptop: Anyone doing the book could use the online Documentation to do it
(17:22:57) rcas_laptop: Since I think the online Documentation should have videos and a great integration of text and media
(17:23:08) rcas_laptop: Meaning videos, sound, text, blend files and such
(17:24:00) efbie: what you propose is a _lot_ of work
(17:24:15) kaito: eeew... yeah
(17:24:25) kaito: simple might work better
(17:24:40) kaito: we just have our wiki, lets first try it a while
(17:24:41) efbie: some simple small books would be nice
(17:25:16) kaito: a book can ofcourse get dvd with videos
(17:25:27) efbie: one thing i thought would be nice, is a book with content of the level of what was presented at the BConf, because there is not a lot of "expert" documentation
(17:25:32) kaito: but; i still have 5 great artists here who can do dvds too
(17:25:42) jdrodas: That would be great... although my voice isn't the right one for this kind of stuff
(17:25:53) kaito: we postponed it because of ui make-over project
(17:26:15) kaito: cant have all buttons on different places suddenly
(17:26:27) rcas_laptop: yes, I agree on that
(17:26:34) jdrodas: simple question, Which one will be our reference wiki ?
(17:27:01) efbie: jdrodas, you can use the text window to chat if you speak english like me ^^
(17:27:18) ***kaito really now has to switch to work mode... no irc :)
(17:27:35) efbie: kaito, there is one last topic that i would like to discuss, the quistart guide
(17:27:46) kaito: try to get bf-docboard mail replied?
(17:27:59) kaito: oh what about it?
(17:28:02) efbie: could it be bundled with release ?
(17:28:19) kaito: mail it to bf-committers?
(17:28:25) efbie: ok
(17:28:37) rcas_laptop: Hope I didn't miss anything, Minute: http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/Bf-education/Meetings/Minute_December_18th_2005
(17:28:43) kaito: proposals like that best be done publoc
(17:28:56) kaito: further note that we wont include megabytes
(17:29:21) kaito: letterrip proposed a pdf shortcut list, which was 2 megs
(17:29:30) kaito: and not well designed even
(17:29:48) rcas_laptop: kaito: is it possible to attach quickstart guide as an image, similar to the pop-up splash ?
(17:29:53) kaito: (now i hope i dont step on toes!)
(17:30:12) kaito: i dont even know what?
(17:30:13) rcas_laptop: kaito: acessible via help menu ?
(17:30:34) kaito: further; such things are not good todo 1 day before a release :)
(17:30:48) kaito: we got a blender.html in our releases
(17:31:01) kaito: that one really can be updated or get more docs
(17:32:13) kaito: efbie: what's url to this guide?
(17:32:32) kaito: or is it like letterrips 1 page sheet?
(17:34:52) efbie: kaito, http://www.mentalwarp.com/~fred/divers/blender/Hotkeys/BlenderQuickStart4.png
(17:35:17) efbie: harkyman can do a .psd version out of this that weight more or less 100Ko
(17:35:29) kaito: aah, much better than the one letterrip had!
(17:35:36) efbie: thanks
(17:35:51) kaito: that one even missed to mention MMB for view rotating :)
(17:35:58) efbie: :S
(17:36:07) kaito: then i stopped checking...
(17:36:33) rcas_laptop: Letterrip mentioned this also
(17:36:35) kaito: without telling how mouse works in blender you get nowhere :)
(17:37:34) kaito: efbie: can you check on ways to compress it?
(17:37:42) jdrodas left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
(17:37:46) kaito: and mail link to bf-committers
(17:37:55) kaito: then people can review it
(17:38:05) efbie: i'm currently writing the mail :)
